Omeka Meeting

Omeka Meeting

Lisa Lackner 00:00 On the future you log on and then you speak to a bunch of Otter AI. Jeff Bale 00:06 Yeah, what's in the big lectures? Once people figure that out, then I guarantee you will be their new son. I'm not affected by gray usually I love winter, but this winter has been like five degrees and rainy and gray. That's bullshit. Anyway, okay, so we're gonna look at the training website together. Yep, maybe I can say quickly I talked to a free guy on Saturday we had a video chat and the depth of my ignorance became clear to him over the course like kids are here to realizing how much he has to dumb down my partners or CO he's a software engineer for Adobe. So how much he had to dumb down well, this is not a German thing. This is like a content thing. So we got to the level of HTML, which is the language of most websites has like different levels, like heading or I forgot what they are. It's hard to like imagine like a Word document title heading heading one heading two Heading Three, HTML design in the same way. And all CSS does is help you change the dimensions of those of those headings. Levels. is better. So CSS can't stands for Cascading something. So the cascading part is falling from level a level of level a level. All exists to do is change like if one of your like the one you showed us on our meeting on Friday, it is the heading the same thing as the featured items. And he opened that up and played around. That's all it does. So the portlet definitely said it does. So I was curious when you showed us CSS turned on for the whole website we can see like different portions of the website that look morally questionable layout. So he didn't talk about that. I'm not totally sure what the relationship is between layout and like, look, but you said it's also it's a pretty garbage system that nobody ever uses anymore. So it's just such a really outdated feature. So it is kind it's good. It is kind of complicated, he said. So then we have this question about whether whether this training module expects people to know a bit about CSS already, or whether they're going to do a little bit of tutorial on it. I don't know that that's as far as we got but she's open to having a chat. And he works in English through Adobe so that wouldn't be an issue if all four of us are on if this is work that you're doing the stuff you want have the three USB two in German doesn't doesn't really matter, but he's open to that if you want to take him up on that. Lisa Lackner 02:59 Okay, I think before that I need to play around with it a little more myself so that I get like, a better sense of it. But yeah, it was also Eli's consensus that basically it's a bit outdated and you have to like work around stuff so that you actually are able to do what you're what you want to achieve. And so that's why I wrote in my email, we have to I think, really be aware of our limitations. I know that you said like layout and that is not like the primary thing and I agree, right, because it's the content. So that's why I think you know, like limited color choices, limited layout choices, but like a cohesive look, I think that's what we should do simple Jeff Bale 03:36 a cohesive is better than over design, I think. Yeah, because the content is so complicated, right? Yeah, actually, now that you sent us the name again. They've met Frank, and I can imagine that I'm sure that would be a fun meeting for Eli and Frank to be like to show author. Yeah, I'm sure they both Lisa Lackner 03:57 think it would be fun for me as well because I don't understand anything like whenever Jeff Bale 04:03 there's a Saturday morning having my tea steal from us. I can tell your face that I have no clue what I'm talking about. But yeah. Lisa Lackner 04:16 Okay, well, then, we can I don't know maybe come back to that. Whenever we feel like we restarted with the course and we have like, because I don't want to waste people's time. So I think it's better if we're a little more familiar with Jeff Bale 04:31 it, there's a site and have we confirmed only one person can be logged in at the time that thing. I get an email. Every time somebody logs in, they get an email about that. Mingyi Li 04:44 It will automatically log out from your laptop. Jeff Bale 04:47 Oh, you're asking me? Yeah. Because the site now says as part of your logins I must have must have I must have timed me out. Oh, why are we trying to get an ID before it couldn't? Mingyi Li 05:02 No, no. Just ask if if somebody else logging in the other place whether if for example, me will be logged out automatically. Jeff Bale 05:10 Somebody logged in as is wanting to log in right now. Lisa Lackner 05:13 I did. I did. Like three I think I logged in. Yeah, Mingyi Li 05:19 me too. I'm logging Jeff Bale 05:24 came Welcome back Jeff. I'm Assignment Now are you into? Yeah. Oh, okay. Well, then maybe there's no problem to let me see you. My email says hold on sync it and see anything so far. Okay. So that's, that's good to know. Okay, so if we're all in then we don't have to share a screen we can look at that together or that easier. Lisa Lackner 06:02 I'm just looking at the overview. So I think maybe the forum is going to be a good place for us to like, gather all questions and then just dump them there and like, seek for guidance. Because the way that I see it is like we're going to get the content anyways. But I think it's also really valuable to have a person there who can really answer to the questions you have. So maybe that could be a way for us to really make use of that because there is an official mica forum and people are answering but I think that might be a nicer and safer environment to to just post the questions there. Jeff Bale 06:39 I can see now the update and I agree, I agree. We'll also be able to ask better questions. Right as we go on. I see now between they've updated the Zoom links. The last time I logged in these have the last round like in the Fall River. So now they have they have the dates for this round of training, which is good. Lisa Lackner 07:07 And then they have the recordings right and it says they will be available until April 10. You Yeah. Jeff Bale 07:17 And they have a sample website. They're gonna they're gonna play around in Speak of the devil was Frank okay. Sorry, I don't see. Oh, session recordings as you're referring to Lisa. Lisa Lackner 07:40 Okay, so maybe for the first meeting, I'm not that tech savvy to know these things, but maybe Mingyu Do you think you can run like like video mapping you while they're doing it and then like once we have the first session, we will see if they post the entire thing. And then we will have them there anyways or what do you think is the best way to do this? Mingyi Li 08:04 I can I can record a session on my MacBook for the first session. And we can upload. We can upload I can put the recording to one space that we have and we can take a look of that recording the quality of that recording. And it also can help us to save a copy. And I can do it for every session as well. Jeff Bale 08:30 Okay. The one I mentioned this in the meeting I was thinking of only having small snippets of the sessions versus the whole hour and a half. What I am thinking they're probably going to be pretty proprietary about that. It might also be worth asking, Hey, we're a research team. Is it okay if we take sections of this and share the team? They might say no. But I don't know if Lisa Lackner 09:08 I do wonder a bit about like, because you mentioned now that you got an email, you know that somebody logged in, right? So maybe they're also getting emails that people are logging into the same account. And then sure. Jeff Bale 09:24 Potentially, and the only reason why I paid attention to it's because the IP address. So I logged in like two or three times in one day and the IP address changed each time. But I was home. So I know nothing about that. But my I would assume IP address doesn't change. Like that's the point right is it's it's your IP address. So that was confusing to me. Yeah, I think so far to like, you know, this this first thing that I assume the goal of the first session is going to be like how to use the website introducing each other. Easily half of this recession is not going to be stuff like anyone cares about. So I wouldn't I don't know if it's necessary to like, record the whole thing. But maybe it is pay attention to pay attention to the parts that are important. Maybe take note the time and then we can go back later. And take you know screengrabs of that I mean, it was easy if you decided that was fine. Then either either way pay attention to the good stuff, because nobody wants to watch you know, introductions and bla bla bla bla bla so one thing I guess you're going to be in the course Live me right? Yeah. Yeah. So one thing I guess to keep in the back of your mind is to keep asking them when it seems important, which things they are teaching you that transfer to the Olmeca dog net. This is set up as a.org training session so that they're not going to my guess is only so many times you can ask that question but just you know, just to ask the question strategically for something that seems that oh my god, this is really important. This sounds like this solves a problem we were having that maybe confirm you know, we're using them because america.net The gold plan Roslin alright are on the silver gold plan. What are we on? Unknown Speaker 11:41 I think me I think that silver, silver, silver I think that sounds right. Jeff Bale 11:55 And that's important because that the difference the main difference between the two is the number of plugins available to us. So if they start sharing a plugin with you, that seems really, really, really vital, then you might want to ask them, Hey, would you happen to know is this on the silver plan or the gold plan, but we'll we'll we'll change ourselves accordingly. But just to just to make sure we don't get you know, we're not learning stuff again and then using is my concern. Mingyi Li 12:22 I remember Jeff, you said you asked him on Twitter at whether if the this course can be taken if we are using Oracle net and they said yes, right. Jeff Bale 12:31 Well, we go see you this exactly. They said Unknown Speaker 12:34 I asked Jeff Bale 12:37 What does training also be used for useful slash relevant for a project using a mecca dotnet. The response to classic content the classic intensive would definitely be useful exclamation mark. Some examples of omega dotnet skills that are discussed are building up okay, they name things. Okay. Some of the relevant things are building up collections of items. Exhibit slash site design, which is a big one for us right now. And extension extending functionality through plugins. So there it is. Okay. Yeah. Lisa Lackner 13:18 Isn't the the net version is the one where we are not hosting it, right, like their subscription based one. Yeah. So I think that's the main difference right between the Omega Classic and the Miko net so because they have like the, if you look into the introduction section, and then there's the introduction summary, button, then it says, First Omega Classic is the Omega platforms and then they list Omega classic Omega dotnet and omega as I mean the platform again. I'm going to share my screen can you enable Unknown Speaker 13:57 Of course. Lisa Lackner 14:09 Okay, this one because this is what I looked at today, and here are the list again, the different things tonight. I think the only big difference. I mean, of course like not taking into account gold and silver plan, whatever but the big difference is that we're not hosting the stuff like that they are doing that for us and that for me, because classic therefore qualifies like has the same kind of features and availabilities. Jeff Bale 14:35 correct that. That's correct. So the difference. I think it's better explained in the Amiga dotnet description that basically this platform is an open source coding platform. So the spirit of it is that anybody you can do the coding can just download it, download the framework to their own servers and play with it. But then they say, this is the middle of the Mecca dotnet the Mecca team recognized However, not everyone has the knowledge. So they now they haven't won they can make more money off of. So that is one distinction. The other one though, is the challenge we know from playing around and the comparisons is the number of plugins and the kind of plugins are more restricted on the subscription based on so I don't think our project is fancy enough to require 1000 plugins, but like, you should recall when I put together those links to the sample, like real, the real projects that use a Mecca, the ones that look, the prettiest to me are the ones that use they've downloaded the software to their own servers. That allows that allows people for example to use the create their own URLs. They can do more with it. So the functionality is a little more restrictive, but I don't think our project is complicated enough for you No. Lisa Lackner 15:58 No, and plus they've given like, I think on the next slide or previous one, like they've given example websites for mica classic. And I mean, like, yeah, Jeff Bale 16:09 these are the ones that like this was the america.org Classic, right. And you can tell from the from the URL, that's how you know, because so this is Vermont. This is University of Vermont that's hosting it, so that you can you can what's the word I want? You can create your own URL, or as ours has to be something in front of America dotnet Lisa Lackner 16:34 Okay, well, anyways, but I think like the general idea, in terms of I get items and exhibits like that should be transferable to us for sure. Jeff Bale 16:45 Hopefully, you know, Lisa Lackner 16:48 what I do come across here is like this planning summary thing, because they, I looked through the advanced things like the in the introduction, and there is like, not really a lot, I think, but this one seemed quite nice for us maybe to talk through so that we can go with this one to the first session. Not sure though. Jeff Bale 17:12 I think is a great idea. Why don't Why don't one of you please put this into a sort of table or some sort of spreadsheet table whatever is easiest to manipulate and share it with a list of maybe the four of us include Mio, and we can all the next week just put our responses in if we have to meet again before the 13th we can do that. That's a good idea. Mingyi Li 17:39 Sure I can I can create a spreadsheet Jeff Bale 17:48 like the second question under how you manage your resources, I don't feel totally qualified to answer that. Question right now. Lisa Lackner 18:00 Yeah, yeah, I feel generally like I know the items itself like me and I talked about it but for me like also coming to this project like now, it's hard for me to figure it out. But the way that I understand it is the items will be the different files that we have in Sotero and then the exhibits are the way that we are grouping those items together so that it makes sense for somebody visiting our website right, this Jeff Bale 18:27 intermediary steps so they this they distinguish between item collection and exhibit collection. So I'll use art museum as the best example. So when you go into most art museums, you'll see 19th century European masters, you'll see Greek like ancient Greek art, you'll see Japanese postwar art. So those are collections, right? And they're broken up geographically and temporally. And those collections often I'll make up a number agio they will in the Inuit wing. Let's say there are 200 individual items that are labeled as part of the anyway collection, but they're only going to put out 50 of them at any given time. And they'll rotate them through over time. Right. So that's, that's item versus collection, but the the collection thing is still a pretty generic, you know, bucket of items. And then from time to time, those will get curated really, in the sense of museum, they'll get curated into an exhibit that tells a really particular story. Right. So, back to our world. The items are that's just a dump of the terrible stuff. And I'm really glad I forget how we got there on Friday, or whenever we met, but some of the limitations with CSV importing that really, I'm glad for that limitation that are really discipline us to do you know what we have to do. But then the collection, actually can you unshare for a second guy can show you some things I can already imagine will be collections. That can be my cursor to come back. So Tara was opens I can share so this is probably not going to be a collection. This whole thing. The archive the archival data, the archives the ones where we did or some messy we created this this chronological thing just for convenience. So that's not going to those documented collections. I can't imagine though, a collection being Ministry of Education, records, be a collection and that's going to draw from all 13 of these folders. The OTF one, here it is. This will definitely be a collection. So we're not going to put all we don't need all these all 30 to 30 of these things, but five of them 10 of them are important. So we'll have five or 10 of these items will be organized into a collection. That's Ontario if you just want to read Federation. This is the trickier one, this whole thing. This Roman numeral four is this is actually a collection in the TDSB archives and it pertains to this whole beast all the way down to three. So I don't even know how many items are in our in our data set. Probably a couple 1000 And maybe we'll upload 200 I don't remember to make up a number. Right. Unknown Speaker 21:50 So the workgroup, right yeah. So Jeff Bale 21:52 we're not going to call this is we we made a choice. In the moments to the headings you see here are exactly what they're listed as in the TDSB archives. So they're findable really quickly. We're not going to call it that we'd call it the the workgroup, a multicultural programs collection, and then make our own our own way of organizing it. But that would be a collection and so on and so forth. Right? Then we're going to pull from those collections. Well, I mean, does it really matter you pull from items or collections doesn't matter what we're going to pull from those existing uploads to tell to create exhibits, which in this case, the four we're going to start with how the four papers already published. Yeah. So the benefit of having collections, it's actually it is really similar. I can't find here it is. It's sort of similar to museum where sometimes when I go to the agio, I go particularly to an exhibit, because that was specials on but sometimes I go because I want to hang out in the intimate room. You know, and so it allows, it allows outsiders to peruse our data set, but to have a way into it, to say here are the people who did all this really cool stuff, inherited languages, what the teachers unions have to say about it. Well, lo and behold, we have a collection just that and hopefully we'll have a collection from TTF Where does now etc. But those sort of things. So the collections allow outsiders to take a really massive data set and find a way in Lisa Lackner 23:29 anything that makes sense to me, i i Keep mixing goes up collection exhibits. For me the exhibit is telling the story part, which is what you're doing in the papers. I think that's the part that I need. To remember for that exactly, then. And then the collections part is like the grouping of items according to whatever kind of focus we think because it's useful to get that insight. Jeff Bale 23:53 So I'll say it this way to the collection. One should be driven. From my perspective, the collections should be driven more by principles of archiving, which is to say, when you go to an archive, how do you look things up? You look for well, you know, this was a ministry program. So you start with the Ministry so that the way we choose the names of the collections how to build them should be driven by archiving principles, exhibits are driven by storytelling. So do they have the status questions? Number three, will you have exhibits? Yes, the answer is yes. And yes, we have to import items. I don't hopefully have hundreds at a time I noticed they have a Dropbox plugin not a will drive one okay so yeah, so if you can, if you can me if you can put that into place. So we can edit it then if we all have a stab at it before the 13 that doesn't do finish that should be a great discussion for the project team. But just so you have you feel confident meaning you to be able to address these issues. In the actual meetings, that'd be good. Lisa Lackner 25:49 Then like once you have finished the first session, maybe maybe we can like figure out like weekly schedule where we can meet afterwards. And like I can watch the recording of the session before we meet and then we can discuss the two of us and then we make notes and bring whatever we have to the group meeting. Jeff Bale 26:11 I think we said to which we wait until we've done partner most of the course we've already asked for help from people because the more we'll be able to ask smarter questions to Eli and Frank and others. About right because especially if they already name look at session five Lisa Lackner 26:38 oh yeah, Session Five is all about CSS editor. Jeff Bale 26:45 Don't ask is why our CSS editor. Mingyi Li 26:48 I don't see the CSS. Lisa Lackner 26:51 Oh, it's plugins. Jeff Bale 26:53 I see. That's that's tricky navigating that the thing they have on the page is different from the thing. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, so when you know, maybe by the time we get to that session, while the better sensible questions we have Lisa Lackner 27:16 from the content because remember, I ask questions about this course content, like I think in November or December when I stumbled upon this and the guys sent back like a syllabus basically. Or like a timeline. I shared it with you in the email. And I think my hunch there is like they're gonna talk about like CSS plugin or whatever, but I'm not sure like how detailed so I think in terms of like this layout or website's design, I think we're still that we're playing around a lot by ourselves, maybe with the knowledge that we acquired the course it will get easier to pick out what we want actually, to do. But, but I think like the major work on that we will still have to like try out ourselves and then maybe with I don't know, asking Broncos can Eli asking the guy in the forum. We can collectively come to a good yeah, good design that works for our purposes. Jeff Bale 28:09 That makes sense. That makes sense to me. Unknown Speaker 28:15 Okay, anything else? Mingyi Li 28:20 I wonder if the instructor who is the instructor and if the instructor has the office hour or something like that. Jeff Bale 28:27 I have to doubt it. I think this is the office hours because they also they sell tutorial services that they sell, they sell support services. So that's another decision we can make whatever they find that if you go when I find this doesn't matter. I found somewhere else. They sell like a package deal. You know five hours a month cost me five grand 10 hours a month causes whatever it is right. So hopefully we're not going to need that kind of support. But if we do we can pay for it. Tonight, my hunch is they're not going to make themselves available for one support because that's a whole other service that they sell. And they're not gonna want to undercut that Lisa Lackner 29:35 Yeah, but I think if we like tried to stick to the simple things, then maybe we can just get by the knowledge that we accumulate in to see exactly because we like you'll learn a lot like I've learned a lot and takes a lot of time but I've also learned a lot. You think about it, you know, like in terms of like what you learn now with the course maybe it will be faster. Yeah. Okay, well, thank you them. Unknown Speaker 30:06 Great. Yeah. Jeff Bale 30:07 I'll see you tomorrow in my office. Right or No, no, yes. But then Michelly is coming right afterwards. I did not put on my calendar. That was agitation. Not your problem isn't that problem. Lisa Lackner 30:35 But we said time I can also be there earlier. You have another meeting later. Jeff Bale 30:41 Today 930. Lisa Lackner 30:45 But I won't like I'll throw this in the calendar. So you just have to move remember, remember? Jeff Bale 30:50 That's fine. Let me because I have this thesis committee meeting. Hold on a second. Actually, nevermind, because I realized I didn't put I have to move Michelle has meaning and no matter what. Maybe I'll see if she can come in at nine. Yeah, we'll say we'll say at 10 o'clock was even able to attend Sorry. Unknown Speaker 31:21 Okay, okay. Lisa Lackner 31:23 Can I click Revert? Okay, great, then I'll see you again. Okay. Jeff Bale 31:26 Bye. Now. Unknown Speaker 33:08 Okay.